Monday, December 12, 2011

Where to get married in Kauai?

Well, the swine flu ruined our Mexico wedding planned in a couple of weeks, so we decided to move it to Hawaii, only immediate family going. We%26#39;re thinking Kauai. Where%26#39;s a good place to do it, and any good wedding packages? Would Maui be better? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.



Where to get married in Kauai?


Sorry, guess I could%26#39;ve used the search function, but this is all very last minute. Still, any thoughts for last minute planning would be great. thanks



Where to get married in Kauai?


If you%26#39;re looking for nightlife Maui is prob better.





But any place will have loads of last min deals. Just check Craiglist for the volume of desperate offers of space. Don%26#39;t be shy about asking for a last min discount from anyone. They may gladly accept. You could try the new Koa Kea. I%26#39;d be shocked if they had any serious occupancy given their lack of advertising and lack of a hard opening date. The Hyatt looks nicer to me but I haven%26#39;t been inside yet.





Or go for a bigger house for the group. Hit Kauaivacationrentals.com or VRBO for that as well.





There are many old threads re photogs etc.




I have a great wedding planner. Alohanaweddings.com



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Diana Gardeneer



She is great to work with. Hula4me on these forums is an officiant and could help you too. Send her a message.



Hanalei Bay Resort has a great location, nice accommodations for the entire family and a wedding coordinator on site. Let me know if you need any help.




These two rental agencies have a lot of homes (and condos) available in Poipu. Not sure how many people are coming with you.





www.ParrishKauai.com





www.KauaiRentals.com





There is one house with a sister house behind it on Hoonani Road (down the street from the Sheraton). It%26#39;s called Ho%26#39;onani Estates on the Kauai Rentals website (under 9 bedroom).





You could also rent Hale Ohana and Stone House together. They are right on Baby%26#39;s Beach and also rented by Kauai Rentals.




Yes, if you looking for help in planning your wedding, do contact a wedding planner for a package. Diana Gardner, as Jebett mentioned, is well respected in the business and would be a good choice.





Contacing a wedding officiant, such as myself, directly, is only one component of your wedding and so if you are looking for a package, a wedding planner or coordinator is what you want. The officiant is the only vendor you need, so that works nicely for ';do it yourself'; couples who either want a very simple wedding or have no problem setting up the extras on their own, can choose their own location, etc.





A wedding ccordinator can help you with location, vendors such as photographers, florists, musicians, etc.





Maui has more of a commercial wedding presence than Kauai. We are a little more laid back and simple here. That%26#39;s my opinion anyway. You can likely find both types on both islands. Have fun planning your wedding. Feel free to ask questions if you have some. I%26#39;m not a planner but I see a lot of weddings and can relate opinions on what others have done that has worked well in the past.

Help? No beach in front of Outwigger Reef or Moana?

Read on these forums that if you want beach in front of your hotel, you should stay at Hilton Hawaiian Village. Is this true? please clarify.



Help? No beach in front of Outwigger Reef or Moana?


There is beach in front of the Outrigger Reef. I am not certain about the Moana but believe there is. Even if there isn%26#39;t much of any beach, it would be just a short walk to a larger area from any of the hotels on the beach.



Help? No beach in front of Outwigger Reef or Moana?


The only hotel on the beach that does not have much of a beach is Halekulani.





Outrigger Reef has a decent beach front %26amp; is right next to Ft. DeRussy Beach which is one of the best in Waikiki.





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In front of some hotels is a wider beach than others, but there is always some. If you don%26#39;t like your own hotel%26#39;s beach, just take a little walk... ALL of famous Waikiki is right there for you!




They are on the beach. HHV has wider one. Left side of Moana has long sand beach to Kuhio adn Kaimana.






We were in Oahu three weeks ago. Stayed at HHV, but had dinner one night at the Shore Bird at the Outrigger. We came in through the street side of the hotel and walked the beach back. I was surprised a bit when we reached the restaurant how much closer we were to the ocean. Although smaller, there is decent size beach at the Outrigger. Like others have said, if it%26#39;s too small for you, just walk a little bit to where it%26#39;s larger.




Go on to Google Maps or Google Earth and you will see that the Hilton Hawaiian Village does have the widest stretch of beach. It also has another neat feature, a salt water lagoon that is fun to play in. The beach in front of the Hilton Hawaiian Village will be less crowded because of the fact that the hotel is separated by the Sheraton Waikiki and Halekulani hotels that don%26#39;t have a beach. It%26#39;s a barrier that keeps the crowds out. The Outrigger Reef and Moana Hotel all have beaches in front of them. The beach in front of the Moana Hotel is small and crowded. It is still a really great location, especially if you like to people watch. You may find your beach towel right next to the person next to you. That always bugs me a little. I don%26#39;t want to hear someone elses radio or conversation. You can walk either side of that beach and it will be a bit more crowded because all of the hotels that don%26#39;t have beach front locations have guests that walk to these beach areas. The Outrigger Reef does have a nice beach too and probably has less people on it.



One that you might note is that if you see beach umbrellas and chairs that look uniform in color, these are rental chairs. They will be nice to rent but they do cost. For instance, in front of the Hilton Hawaiian Village, you can rent chairs but note that this in not the hotel renting to you. It is a vendor that the hotel allows to rent chairs to guests or non-guests. It is a not a hotel rental venture. You can go to the ABC Stores and get your own little umbrella, or find a shady palm tree if you don%26#39;t want to pay for umbrellas and chairs. The one good thing about setting aside money for an umbrella and chairs is that you don%26#39;t have to lug anything with you, and the people around you are probably families or guests of the hotel. You might make some new friends and save yourself a sunburn.




Word to the wise -- you can just mosey down Waikiki if the width of the sand isn%26#39;t to your liking. But if you stay at HHV -- well, there are other issues. Is the width of the beach a deal-breaker for you? I wouldn%26#39;t choose HHV just because of the beach. There are other pros and cons.





FYI -- some drop-dead gorgeous beach on the north and east sides of the island. Be sure to get out of Honolulu and explore. You will be amazed at this gorgeous island.

Progress on Moana Banyan Tree Bar construction

We are leaving next week to stay at the Westin Moana hotel on Waikiki.

I would like to know if anyone has any late information about the construction at the Banyan Tree Bar. Is it finished? If not, how much disruption does it cause around the pool and in the Banyan Tree Bar area?

Appreciate the information you might have.

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  • Dress code for most restaurants at night

    Just curious what is the dress code for most of the restaurants at night. Casual meaning shorts for women and men?



    Dress code for most restaurants at night


    We wore shorts out to eat everytime while in Oahu and never felt out of place at all. The dresscode is very casual in Hawaii as a whole. There are a few places that might suggest khaki pants for men or a dress or something for women, but we didn%26#39;t visit any of those type restaurants.





    Alot of people, tourists and locals alike, wear the ';Hawaiian'; shirts and khakis or t-shirts or polo shirts. I think you will be just fine.



    Dress code for most restaurants at night


    I usually change into capris and a nicer top for going out to dinner.





    Depending the time of year you are in Hawaii, may not really even be hot enough that you%26#39;d still need shorts by dinner-time. And depending the kind of restaurants you choose shorts %26amp; t-shirt might be a tad %26#39;underdressed%26#39;.





    Most people wear ';island casual'; I%26#39;d call it, polo or aloha shirt %26amp; dockers pants or shorts for guys, capris or skirts/sundress for ladies, sandals, sneakers, or flip flops for both.




    the top few places require closed toe, no shorts, collared shorts, places like La Mer and Azure. Everywhere else- anything goes




    At most nice places I would wear Khakis or Navy poplin slacks with an aloha shirt (Reyn%26#39;s Spooner) tucked in.





    Nice places means places like Alan Wong%26#39;s, Orchids, Hau Tree Lanai, Hy%26#39;s, Roy%26#39;s, Indigo, etc. I think La Mer still requires a jacket.





    Honolulu is casual, but I don%26#39;t think shorts would be appropriate at Hy%26#39;s or the others in that category.





    Places like Dukes, the Shorebird, Chuck%26#39;s, etc. I%26#39;d feel fine in shorts.




    OK I admit I%26#39;m older but if I am gonna pay mega bucks for dinner I am gonna dress for it! DH wears slacks and aloha shirt and I always wear a silk dress. Why not make it special! After High School not many memories are made at Denny%26#39;s!




    They will serve you in shorts, but feel free to dress up as well. We were on our honeymoon and dressed nice for a dinner cruise, while other people were casual, some were in a tie. It%26#39;s Hawaii, they understand the laid back life, and will treat you the same whether wearing shorts, or a suit.




    ';Why not make it special! After High School not many memories are made at Denny%26#39;s!';





    Excellent comment! I um.....like it um.......when my lady is Happy, glowing tan, glowing smile.....and that one dress!





    Ohhhhhhhhh Yeah!!!!





    And I know for a fact, that dress does not take up too much room!

    Itenerary ? Is this possible?

    We%26#39;re staying in Kohala at the Marriott for 8 days. We%26#39;re going to go to the volcano and stay the night at a B%26amp;B. On the way back I would like to do the following - we%26#39;re going in June and it will be me, hubby, and 11 year old son:





    * Rainbow Falls (Waianuenue Ave.)



    * Back out to 19: Past the 7 mile marker, 4 mile scenic route (old highway).



    * Stop at Hawaii Tropical Botanical Gardens



    * Next stop: Between mile marker 13 and 14 turn left (3 3/4 miles) Akaka Falls—15-20 minute walk, check out woodshop gallery and café, good ice cream.



    * Back to highway 19: Next stop World Botanical Gardens—see Umauma Falls



    * Stay on until after you see Waikamalo Park then reacquire highway



    * If up to it – shopping in Hamakua and Waimea



    * Head back to hotel.





    Too much or do-able? Thanks for the advice.



    Itenerary ? Is this possible?


    Are you on a mission or a vacation? ;)





    It%26#39;s do-able but I%26#39;m wondering if you shouldn%26#39;t plan to spend an extra morning at the volcano park? On day one plan to see the lava flows at night if they are visible and find out where to go to do that. Then the next morning see the other parts of the park (it%26#39;s big!). Figure 1.5-2 hours at the Hawaii botanical gardens which is the best part of day 2 and skip others as needed.



    Itenerary ? Is this possible?


    It sounds a lot but actually it isn%26#39;t. It%26#39;s easily doable but I would skip the World Botanical Gardens since you will stop at the Hawaii Tropical Botanical Garden. There is nothing to shop on the Hamakua Coast but you can stop at the Parker Ranch Center and check out the stores in Waimea.




    I%26#39;m already double booked the one night and don%26#39;t want to do another. We were planning on doing the volcano the day we travel up, go out again at night, and then head out in the morning for the above itinerary. I realize these two days will be our busiest but we have 8 days on the big island and I%26#39;ve built in plenty of time to just relax.





    You said skip World Botanical Gardens - is Umauma Falls not worth the stop?





    Thanks!!




    Dear SShuttle: Yep def. get up early and this is totally doable. Looks like you have Botanic Gardens twice? I%26#39;m assuming you are talking about the one on scenic bypass road just north of Hilo? Def. worth two hours at least. Bring camera lots of pretty flowers and water fall and good veiw of shore line at bottom. 11 year old will probably like the fancy bird cage at the bottom.





    You have to stop at What%26#39;s Shakin for lunch headed north on scenic bypass road after the gardens. Best smoothies in the world and great lunch plate specials. Its a green/yellow roof building on your left (be looking for it). Read reviews hear under restaurants!!!!





    Yep Honomu below Akaka Falls another funky old town is worth at least 30 minute walk around.





    If you find yourself w/ an extra hour def. go as far northe as Waipio Valley overlook while you are on that side of island. Grab some malasadas at Tex Mex but leave the rest of the greasy food alone, ha :)





    That%26#39;s gonna be a great day as long as the weather is good. Happy Travels, TheodoreJay




    Yep you def. want the HAWAII TROPICAL BOTANICAL GARDEN north of Hilo on scenic bypass road.



    Then head north to What%26#39;s Shakin and Akaka Falls beyond:)





    It includes a really pretty water fall (not sure of the name right now).





    BTW here%26#39;s a pretty good drive guide:



    alternative-hawaii.com/drives/…hilo.htm




    World Botanical: here%26#39;s Umauma



    http://www.wbgi.com/photoGallery.php



    Admission $32 for the 3 of you.





    Rainbow Falls: hawaiiweb.com/Hawaii/…rainbow_falls.html





    Akaka falls:



    hawaiiweb.com/Hawaii/html/sites/akaka_falls_…





    I confess I am not a waterfall fan. For me, seen a couple, seen enough for the day. But I%26#39;d not pay $32 to see a third one and a second botanical garden on such a long day. I%26#39;d use the time to take the scenic drive bypass road along the coast or spend some time in Waimea.





    At the Marriott, there are 2 nice petroglypg fields (different kinds of images so not that duplicative) near you:



    tripadvisor.com/Travel-g29217-c56173/Island-…



    The Puako ones are a nice adventure walk thru the kiawe forest, for another afternoon.




    This is the Gardens I would recommend



    http://www.htbg.com/index.php?page=tour





    If you love flowers you will not be dissapointed plus includes Onomea Falls not accessible to General Public.





    I agree two gardens too much (subtract one from your plans).




    Based on the Tripadvisor several really negative reviews describing as ';work in progress';, I would skip the World Botanical Gardens near Honomu.



    My impression is you are gonna pay $13 per head to see the waterfalls and garden no where near quality of Hawaiin Tropical Botanical Gardens (just north of Hilo on scenic bypass road). Plus Akaka falls will be just as spectacular at a fraction of the cost.





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    I will take everyone%26#39;s advice and scratch World Botanical Gardens. Since we%26#39;re scratching that - how about Waipi%26#39;o Valley lookout - I know there is a lot of ';talk'; on these boards about it - but is just checking out the lookout o.k.? Hubby has no interest in horse or wagon tour.




    The Waipio Valley lookout is only a 10 miles detour and since you will be driving by anyway you certainly should stop there.

    Where to Learn about history of Hawaii?

    I%26#39;m interested in learning about the history of Hawaii. I%26#39;d love to visit museums, historical homes, or any other places to give me insight into the history of Hawaii.





    Also, are there any ';older'; historic hotels on the Big Island, like in Honolulu?





    Any suggestions?



    Where to Learn about history of Hawaii?


    I don%26#39;t quite know how to frame this, but I%26#39;ll do my best. James Michener%26#39;s Hawai%26#39;i, is not historical fact, but it%26#39;s historically factual. He told stories about the major times in the history of Hawai%26#39;i, starting with the formation of the islands. (A lot of folks got bogged down in the first dozen or two pages. I did, but after I waded through them, I was entranced with them and reread them with interest.) He told a story of the Polynesians who came to settle the islands; he told a compelling story of the missionaries who came. (That%26#39;s the part that was made into the movie, ';Hawai%26#39;i.) The characters are composites of several of the missionaries, but the storytelling is fascinating and true in spirit. He goes on to tell a story about the Chinese that came, and the leper colony on Molokai. He tells of modern day Hawai%26#39;i.





    The book will give you a feel for the islands that no mere history can do, I think. Two or three times I%26#39;ve opened it to look up something, and ended up reading the rest of the book.





    After my first visit to Hawai%26#39;i, I went home and picked it up where I%26#39;d bogged down. When I get absorbed in it, I%26#39;m living in the islands! I%26#39;ve never quite recovered, but it%26#39;s a good ailment to have...



    Where to Learn about history of Hawaii?


    There%26#39;s an excellent book, The Shoal of Time - A History of the Hawaiian Islands by Gavan Daws. It%26#39;s a bit of hard-going but well worth it. I frequently use it for research.




    The Jagger museum at the Volcano National Park describes how the volcanoes have affected history on the Big Island. There%26#39;s also the tsunami museum in Hilo. The Imiloa Astronomy Center in Hilo describes how the ancient Polynesians used astronomy and other scientific knowledge to navigate through the South Pacific and find the islands of Hawaii.





    I loved ';Hawaii';. It was the first thick book I ever read. I have yet to find another source of info on Hawaii%26#39;s past that is so comprehensive.




    Mitcheners Hawaii is the best read telling of first journies you wont be able to put it down




    To add to your research read Tony Horwitz%26#39;s book ';Blue Latitude%26#39;s'; But Quite frankly, putting ';hotels'; in the history of the islands is a bit offensive...the real history of the islands has nothing to do with tourism or ';hotels';...these islands are an amazing place with vast history all on their own! Long before we mucked them up!




    Hi Wintersummer,





    The Lyman residence in Hilo has interesting artifacts from the missionary period while the adjacent museum is home to several fabulous exhibits, including a mock erupting volcano. Hubby, 12-year-old son, and I spent quite a bit of time in the museum, learning quite a bit about Hawaii%26#39;s history and culture. From what I remember, tours of the home were given infrequently, so be certain to time your visit so you can tour the house.





    In Parker Ranch, there are two homes related to the paniolo period.



    parkerranch.com/Activities-Public/564/tour-h…





    Check out AlohaAdeline%26#39;s trip report for the Anna Ranch



    tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g29217-i268-k16786…





    I echo Boulders%26#39; suggestion about visiting the Tsunami Museum in Hilo. If you are planning to see the magnificent coastline/beach area at Laupahoehoe, learning about the tsunami that devastated the area will make that experience even more meaningful (and somewhat sobering).





    Have fun delving into Hawaii’s history!




    Reading about the voyages of Captain Cook would give you some perspective on recent Hawaiian history, and the impact of Europeans. Especialy as you have posted on the Hawaii Island branch.




    You have some excellent suggestions..



    Petroglyphs is a great place to start. k%26#39;i%26#39;i pohaku ';images in stone';:



    Panau-nui Pu%26#39;u Loa petroglyph field in the Hawai%26#39;i Volcanoes National Park.



    Puako Petroglyphs at Holoholokai Beach Park (Mauna Lani Resort)



    Waikoloa Petroglyph





    Maybe Heiau%26#39;s: Mo%26#39;okini, Ahu’ena, Ke%26#39;eku, Hiki Au





    Of course Pu%26#39;uhonau o Honaunau (Place of Refuge National Park)





    Hulihee Palace



    Kona Historical Society’s Kona Coffee Living History Farm




    Dear summerwinter: Def. stop my at the Manago Hotel on your way thru Captain Cook. Older building in the front gives you a good taste of Hawaii yester years.



    A great place to get a nice breakfast or check out the famous pork chops for dinner. You%26#39;ll feel like one of the family. Ladies who serve the dining room really make you feel at home.





    Def. stop at Borders books on your left on your way into Kona. Typically a great selection of Hawaiiana stuff and new music too :)





    Lots of really good historic sites especially Place of Refuge, Lapakahi State Park, Puukohola Heiau National Historic Site plus Puako Petroglpyhs and National Park Petropglpyh trail.





    Lots of really good local historic sites and museums:



    Lyman Mission House and Museum (Hilo), Laupahoehoe Train Museum, Royal Kona Coffee Mill %26amp; Museum, St. Benedict%26#39;S (The Painted Church) near Captain Cook, Star of Sea (Painted Church) near Kalapana, Hulihee Palace (Kona), Mokuaikaua Church (Kona).





    Here%26#39;s good guide to Hawaii Special Places:



    www.alternative-hawaii.com/special/bispdx.htm





    Shoot you could do a whole trip just doing the historic stuff :)





    Aloha, TheodoreJay




    Wintersummer,





    Others have mentioned the Lyman Museum, that is an excellent stop. I also suggest the tsunami Musuem for a more recent history. In Laupahoehoe there is a very small train musuem that is a good place to check out the history of the Hilo Railroad. In Kailua-Kona there is Hulihe%26#39;e Palace, and across the street is the oldest Christian Church in Hawaii the Mokuaikaua Church. In Kealakekua there is Pu%26#39;uhonau o Honaunau (Place of Refuge) a well preserved example of the old kapu system.



    In Kawaihae there is Puukohala Heiau an ancient temple site. A little further north is Lapakahi Historical Park.



    Further north still is the lonely and eerie Mo%26#39;okini heiau.



    In Waimea the Parker Ranch has a visitors center and museum about the paniolos.



    As for books I usually suggest Shoal of Time.



    A couple of good websites:



    http://www.hawaiihistory.org/



    gohawaii.com/about_hawaii/…history_culture





    A bit of recent discovery:



    …blogspot.com/2009/03/tongan-petroglyphs-res…





    Good luck and happy travels!

    Pihea Trail

    We will be in Kaui in early August with our two kids ages 7 %26amp; 9 and definitely plan to spend some time in this beautiful looking park.



    We are considering doing the Canyon Trail as well as the Pihea Trail.



    I had a few questions about the Pihea Trail which I am hoping people can help with.



    Are the views along the Pihea Trail different than the actual views we would see from the Pu%26#39;u O Kila Lookout?



    How far along the Pihea Trail would be the ';minimum'; we would have to walk (distance and/or time-wise) before we reached some of the ';great'; views of the Kalalau Valley?



    As we will likely have only one day to visit the park I am just trying to get a sense as to whether it is at all possible to do all, or parts, of both hikes. If not we will just chose one.



    Pihea Trail


    1) not much. You%26#39;re looking into the same valley.





    2) zero. The view from Puu O Kila is great as is the earlier view point. You don%26#39;t gain much by hiking down the trail.





    I did that trail to the junction that leads down to the swamp. My hiking partner had had enough of the mud and scrambling up and down by then (boo hoo). Honestly the view isn%26#39;t any better from down the trail IMO. If you want a truly awesome view, go down the Awaawapuhi or Nualolo trails instead. The later might be a bit much for smaller kids.



    Pihea Trail


    The views of the kalalau valley, from the viewpoints, both the kalalau , and the pu%26#39;u o kila are, indeed of the same valley.





    However, we feel a bit different.





    We have made many trips along the pihea trail, and it is only one mile, but you do not have to do all of that mile.





    There ares some marvelous photo viewing areas along the trail itself..especially early in the walk.





    In august, there should not be much mud, and we do not walk that trail in the winter and rainy months.





    In fact, many of our trails are quite muddy, and slippery at that time.





    Erica has pictures of the kalalau valley from both of the lookouts, as well as from the open views along the first part of the pihea ( pee-hay ) trail.





    The photo, from all the different times and hikes up there , that she used, was from the pretty popular view from the trail itself. This is shown in guide books,and on post cards.





    She had it enlarged and transferred to canvas, and it adorns our living room. Actually, pretty impactive.





    However, if you are time constrained, you will still be able to get some great photos of that majestic valley, from either of the lookouts.





    Especially, if you and the family have already hiked the halemanu road, to the canyon trail, to the small waterfall and back up.





    Oh, the Awa Awa Puhi trail, Dave is correct, a bit demanding for the youngsters.





    But, Erica has a photo from the vista, with a rainbow cutting an angle across the cliffs. And, it was sunny...honest no computer gimmicks.





    So, no worries, just do what feels good for you and your family, and no matter what it is, it will be perfect.





    Denny




    I agree with the other folks, Pihea to me is really only great for hooking up with the Alaka`i Swamp trail to get to Kilohana lookout (which is phenomenal when it%26#39;s clear). Nualolo and/or Awa`awapuhi are definitely two of my favorites - Nualolo likely wins out for me because of Lolo Vista. I wouldn%26#39;t attempt the loop, that%26#39;d be very hard for your kids - and it might scare them on the cliff trail. In general I%26#39;d also agree that either of these two trails could be tough for the kids, but then again, that first part of ';steps'; along Pihea isn%26#39;t a walk in the park either coming back up it. I would say it%26#39;d be harder hiking UP Nualolo though than Awa`awapuhi - that%26#39;s just my opinion though. Only real benefit of walking along that first stretch of Pihea is you can see the fluted spires that exist in the southern portion of the valley - you cannot see them well from Pu`u o Kila lookout because of a ridge in the way, and they are pretty hard to see from the Kalalau Lookout too (unless you go into the brush at the right and sneak a peak).





    We also hiked the Cliff trail last year and enjoyed it; it%26#39;d be a little easier than the Canyon trail for the kids.





    Jumping to the other end of the road up on the northwest shore. I%26#39;m sure you%26#39;ve already got it on the list, but at least consider the first half mile of Kalalau trail as well. I think the kids would get a blast of the views of Na Pali, and that%26#39;s a much easier way to see Na Pali than Nualolo trail.





    Best of luck,



    John




    If you all have links to your photos, I would love to see them.





    My girlfriend was in the Kokee area last year and did a hike with beautiful vistas. You could see a huge beautiful waterfall in the distance. Now, I know there are lots of waterfalls in Kauai but would you have any idea which trail she might have been on? She, of course, can%26#39;t remember the name of the trail.




    Only falls I can think of in Koke`e is Waipoo Falls in the Canyon. Unless I%26#39;m forgetting one - guys? So I%26#39;d assume it was one of the canyon trails. I don%26#39;t think it was Kukui Trail bc I don%26#39;t remember being able to see the falls. But on the Canyon trail, you can%26#39;t really see the falls either since you%26#39;re above them. I%26#39;m stumped on this one.





    I have a %26#39;mixed bag%26#39; of trail photos/info you can see of my favorite trails here: hawaii-guide.com/index.php/…





    In order of favorite to least (island wide):



    Kalalau (Hanakapi`ai)



    Nualolo



    Awa`awapuhi



    Nounou



    Canyon Trail



    Kuilau



    Cliff Trail



    %26#39;Blue Hole%26#39; - or to the diversion really



    Pihea/Alaka`i



    Kukui





    I had never hiked Nounou or Kuilau until last year at the recommendation of the Denny and a few others here. I%26#39;m glad we finally hiked them - great trails.




    Side question. Is there a official name to the trail that connects the Puuhinahina lookout with the parking lot that is just before the start to the Cliff/Canyon trails? I%26#39;ve noticed it pop up on a few maps, but most books/websites don%26#39;t even mention it yet.




    Thanks for the very helpful replies (which have now raised a few more questions!):



    - Regarding the Cliff Trail: Is this trail just a short .1 mile spur trail that one can acccess off of the Canyon Trail?



    - Regarding the Canyon Trail: It seems that if we rent a 4WD vehicle we can save both us and our kids a fair part of the walk to the actual trailhead. Does it have to be 4WD or would a front wheel drive SUV type vehicle (which has slighly higher clearance than a standard car) do the job?



    If we are able to start the hike at the actual trail head then how far and long (time-wise) is the hike the actual falls/swimming area? How easy or difficult is it?



    - We had not really considered hiking the first half mile of Kalalau trail with our kids (7 %26amp;9) as I just thought I had read that it was very steep and strenuos - is that the case?



    Thanks again.




    We just did the trail to the lookout - we%26#39;re both over 50 in moderately good condition. Saw others with children. I don%26#39;t know if your kids are used to hiking - the safety aspect of being able to follow trail etiquette would be my concern. Do they follow directions well, not run on ahead, know the limits of narrow paths and loose rocks?. I see children in NH easily hike much more challenging terrain, but they are used to it.






    We had a 4 wheel drive and drove to the trail head. There were an assortment of car types parked. I would think you would be O.K. with an SUV, but I would not like to damage a rental car. Driving to the trail head takes about 45 minutes off the hike and the scenery is not great on the road.





    It is a moderate hike,,, There were all different ages on it. If your kids have hiked before and are comfortable hiking they should be O.K. It is a beautiful hike with some awesome canyon views. it is about an hour each way or a little less. I would think they would find it pretty cool to hike to the top of the falls that you will see from the view points on your drive up.





    As for the Pihea no the view does not change a lot, but I still think it is worth it as the coast views are so spectaclar. My suggestion would be to try it for 15 or 20 minutes to see if you think it worthwhile.





    Enjoy












    ';- We had not really considered hiking the first half mile of Kalalau trail with our kids (7 %26amp;9) as I just thought I had read that it was very steep and strenuos - is that the case?';





    Here%26#39;s what I%26#39;ve noted on it previously; I%26#39;d highly recommend it - even though it is a bit of a rough climb at the start of the trail. I%26#39;ve seen several younger kids on it - but only when it was dry. If it%26#39;s been wet, I%26#39;d avoid it.





    ';As you begin the trail you%26#39;ll traverse through a lush jungle-like scene of pothos and other philodendron. The trail can be steep and rocky in places, but ultimately it%26#39;s the climb that%26#39;s the tough part. Use extreme caution in any wet portions (though it%26#39;s almost all wet along this stretch), and expect mud if it%26#39;s rained recently. After the first leg of the climb, at about half a mile, you emerge on a red dirt path that borders the cliffside overlooking the gorgeous Na Pali coastline. Beneath you to the right is Ke`e Beach below (near where you started). You%26#39;ve climbed to the highest point between Ke`e and Hanakapi`ai; about 500 feet above sea level. The short portion of the trail to this point can be a lot of work, but this is one of the most gorgeous views of the hike. If you can%26#39;t or don%26#39;t want to day-hike to Hanakapi`ai Beach, at least try to make it to this overlook (one mile round trip).';





    If you think you can handle the full four mile round trip, consider trying to hike to Hanakapi`ai - the views along the way will not disappoint.